John Hutchison Interview on Journey with Brenda Roberts (1997): The Hutchison Effect

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For some, their life's journey is a continuation of another's dream, and that way the dream lives on. At an early age, John Hutchison was intrigued by the work of Nikola Tesla. In this way, he became an emulation of what Nikola Tesla was doing before, and all his life he's been experimenting and recreating some of the fascinating work that Nikola did. So now we're going to look into John Hutchinson in his life. John, it's a delight to have you here from Canada. It's a delight to be here, right there. And we want to first explain, maybe, to the people, who was Nikola Tesla briefly? He was basically one of the main founders of alternating current and radio and very exotic types of technology that even the military now is looking at, a very interesting historical figure. And I was very much interested in him at a early, early age. And so even then, you started trying to recreate some of his experiments, to the extent that finally his experiments were on a large scale. Yes, that's my, yes, I remember back in the 60s there that the neighbors would get upset over TV disruption due to some of my Tesla coils. You were building and setting off all the waves. Yeah, and then I progressed into a more. stable in a lab that was around 22 tons of equipment. We have some photographs I'd like to show now of some of that. equipment. A lot of it you had to hand build, didn't you? Yes, I hand built quite a bit of equipment. Well, you can explain in what we're going to see. Okay, that sounds like fun. There's some right there. I was put together in 83 by US Army Intelligence for their demonstrations for four months, time period. So you had back then scientists and other defense groups looking at your work. Yes, that's right, and there's a small Tesla coil and a discharge transformer that is copied after Nikola Tesla. and that's in the Los Alamos slide that was given to me. And there's a large unit there. And there's a Los Alamos team, some of the team probing with their various instruments into the laboratory itself to observe the electrostatic effects in that. Here we are doing more tests in a different laboratory location, and we're setting up samples there for more testing. And here we have, or back at Los Alamos here in Vancouver City, and still we're observing effects that are happening on the test or target area. And that is more the US Army Intelligence setup, meaning that it was in a large warehouse. And here are some of their samples that we managed to bend for them and distort. Libnium bars and bits of the lundum and their control samples on the target area table. And there is Tesla himself. He stands proudly there looking out. His work, would that be considered free energy work? In a way, yes, he was tapping into... what the scientists are right now very excited about, and that's zero point energy. Here's some of the documents, the defense industry, and agencies were always inquiring. Always inquiring and are interested in follow-up work. And you'll be working probably with NASA. Now here's your layout, isn't it? Yes, this is put together by McDonald-Deglass Aerospace and their visit to my lab, and basically have showing the Tesla coils. and the geometric arrangement of the Tesla coils, and the placement of their test samples in this area, in the target areas. And Los Alamos often would analyze what you did, didn't they? Yes, yes, Los Alamos and other national laboratories. Well, as we just indicated, Los Alamos at one time, analyzed some of the fragments that actually broke off from one of your metal experiments, and when it's sort of shattered, and I believe we'll be actually showing some of that here, the fragments, and what did they say about that? Unknown material. They did SCM, scanning electron microscopes, X-ray diffraction analysis, and fluorescent analysis on the bits and pieces that broke off a steel bar, which was fairly large, like that. And their consensus was there was unknown material. And then Max Planck took up the lead in the late 80s to analyze these same bits and pieces of samples and that with the same results. Because they determined something that was unknown to our chemistry and our metallurgy at the time. Did they then look at that, I know it's been tagged the Hutchison effect as to what happened with all the metal and recreation of some of these experiments. Why, and what is that effect? It's a Hutchinson effect named by scientists. The effect itself is decoupling. of the gravity pull and up. And we'll be showing some of those samples flying around. Yeah. What we'd like to show next is some of the video footage of your lab, the big lab that you had back then, where these effects occurred. We'll let you explain that. I sure will try to. There you are. Well, my trusty pipe, here I am with a standing beside a large static generator. and with a well-grounded pipe above me. And here we have more of the huge power conditioning equipment. And there we have a DC supply unit, Tesla's original type of designs, big piece of equipment. Large equipment. Yes, yes. Might as it go all the way. Now, you don't have that lab any longer, though. What happened? Well, what happened was that the Canadian government didn't like it going to Germany. So certain civilians were calling up the Prime Minister of Canada, saying, well, John's going to Germany, he doesn't know what he's doing. And it happened there was that in the Prime Minister's officers, I should say, I'd say in offices, there were officers involved, they would go down the lower ranks and check out these shipping containers that were ready to go to Germany. And you were only going there because you had a bona fide laboratory willing to support your work, right? I had a bona fide, I had Germany and Austria to work with me, and they put out a lot of money, and they had all the facilities to hold this laboratory. I mean, obviously, all this equipment, even though you were, you spent years accumulating it, to really continue with your experiments, would require quite a bit of funding and support, wouldn't it? A fair amount, and they were ready to do that. They were ready to do that, but the Canadian government. I felt it was somewhat of a threat for this, maybe, to leave the country, or... Well, that's what the... Some civilians were pressing in the Prime Minister's office, and unfortunately, it broke out into the press and everything else, and it was a gooey, messy thing. I had NBC phoning me saying, you know, am I kidnapped? I said, no, I'm not aware of I'm being kidnapped. It was really very messy. It was a messy situation. And it's unfortunate because then you were unable to continue with the huge equipment that you had built. It was no longer available to you. Later on, we're going to end up showing you have accumulated quite a bit of equipment in your apartment now in Vancouver. When I came back from Germany, they gave me back the test equipment. But all the power conditioning equipment was gone and disappeared. And I cannot, through my members of Parliament and other people I asked about this equipment, and I was pressed. Didn't get it back, didn't get back, they didn't give me proper answers, and they avoid the issue. And it's been suggested that I sue them for $5 million, but I often think that that would take a long time of stress and... stuff to go through that kind of stuff. It's best probably to just try and get it set up again and continue on, which is really your desire, isn't it? That work, what kind of applications could be a result of what effects you were playing with? It could be a lot to do with metallurgy, a lot to do with rocket propulsion, advanced rocket propulsion. And it's true NASA is now exploring warp drive. Yes. We may see that as a reality, right? It's right in Mark Millis' of Lewis Ames, research centers, packet of the 19-member group that's being formed. Sort of brainstormed that whole idea of warp drive, huh? Yeah. Great. He is aware of my work. And so that is, it would be very close to them for this technology. Let's show now some of the effects, because like you mentioned before, you would put in a target zone where these Tesla coils were sort of bombarding it with this electromagnetic, magnetic energy, right? And you believe that it was creating a separate force field around the objects, such that gravity was not in control anymore. Basically, another dimension was formed by the RF. operators, according to to Rennie Louis Valley of France and some other documents. That's not a far-fetched statement any longer. There's books out now on it was not as probably well known, but I think it's becoming a lot more acceptable, the idea that that's certainly a possibility. Exactly. We'll show then, and you can explain all the different metals and plastics and everything that, you know, you experimented on. That sounds good. Well, here we have, the first test was an ordinary empty milk crate. It takes off in a bit of an arc. This is about 1988 time period, when I had about five effects per hour. Just flies off, all right. Here we have two things going off at one time. We have now a wooden bowl and a small tool or some kind on the other side there that... So if we watch on the left, that tool's going to fly away, isn't it? Yeah. Hold on this bowl first. There's a bowl, one of the... Okay, there's a sheet of plastic, a blue plastic object there. About 8th of an inch thick, and it eventually takes off. And we have some foam and plastic material, an empty vitamin bottle. He takes off. and there he goes, that lift off as Jack Hauk would say, and we got some a wrench and that's a wrench and those are pretty heavy yep there it goes it flies away like it's just a feather here we have some stainless steel bars that it's sort of rubbery but and almost lifting off this one is just wiggling around a little bit like a snake looking at you No, he wants to take on. What do you think is going on? Is it being attracted or pulled by something? It's interdimensional. And here we have water. Now, we would assume this is boiling, but there's no heat, is there? No, and it's also in a wooden bowl and also on a wooden plank, as I recall, this experiment. So this would be just the effect of the water itself, the molecules interacting, huh? Yeah. But we'll repeat again, there's, there's been no heat, nothing gets hot, it does not boil, or... You see no steam coming off of it. Right. Because even the metal never exhibits any heat, does it? No, it's cold. We have what they call the breathing effect, which is very rare, but was captured on this particular incident on an empty bleach bottle. You see there's a compression, or being compressed and expanded. as much like the metals. It makes it look animated, like it's coming alive. Yeah, yeah. A lot of the scientists even speculate that this energy has an intelligence to it. Is it? Yeah. From the high levels in the U.S. government guys. Here we have a piece, another piece of stainless. He starts to wiggle around a little bit like a snake, meaning that it's turned quite rubbery. and is affected by the fields or the fields affected, set up resonance. Is that probably the molecules themselves making it changing? It's on the atomic, it's on the subatomic level, basically, these effects. Here we have a piece of aluminum that wants to separate itself from its whole self. And other samples along there are large pieces of aluminum. So that breaks apart. Yeah, that slowly is. magically... You used to have to sit and fine -tune the equipment. Some nickels, nickel steel, I believe. Yes. And then these large, heavy, solid objects, then, you know, would just start shattering and pulling apart. In the early days, it was kind of, like, one effect a day or something, but now, we're in 88 and 89, it was 5 per hour. So, there was... more control ability at that point in time after several years of testing. A lot of more, lots more control. I see once again, is the water being attracted out or forced up? Yeah, it can almost lift it, so it actually has lifted out, but this on this particular case, it's just grabbing at it and then trying to get it out. And what's coming out of there is like little round balls of it. Here's a huge piece of foil tinfoil. and when it takes off, I believe, there's a set of lamps sitting on the table, and the light bulb will go out too. This crawls out of there and takes off. So there's a light bulb in that carton on the left. There's a empty bucket I decided to put on the test table. You might get trenched if you put water in, and there goes a light bulb right out of the carton. Yeah. Now we get into yogurt. They're getting desperate for a sample, so we'll try anything. Lab refrigerator and then put this stuff out. I believe it was a frosty. And as you can see, it's almost like a, there's a gravity coming up, field coming up this way, and is pulling this piece up. And it's interesting because eventually it takes the whole cup along with it. It's the idea that this target area has its own field then going on within it. Sometimes samples will join together. In this particular case, okay, now we have a carrot. Well, I had to do this, I had to put a carrot in there. Try vegetables here. It just nicely cut itself in two. Probably do the water distortion. It's like... This is one amazing shot. Now how much does that weigh? That's about 60 pounds. That's a cannonball, right? That's an old cannonball. And alongside that is a nail puller. Now this cannonball, what's going to happen here? It's gently, I mean, it's just like it's floating. It's like it's floating, but also there's, with this particular sample, there's movements that are not, almost like man-made. which is kind of interesting. As if the field was actually the field would go out and there was some kind of intelligence behind it or a little man behind there with a stick welded on to the cannonball. See, it turns, because it'll turn this way on its axis and it'll turn the opposite way, so it's not really consistent, it's fairly erratic in its movements, isn't it? Very much so. It doesn't seem to conform to the other test samples. But it was fascinating, and as you see, there's no camera jiggling, I had to put it down. So the camera is sitting still. Oh, it's sitting still in this one, except for a few shots. But you're getting it to wait like that, it's dangerous. Because we had, I think it was a thousand pound transformer, go off about an inch off the ground, and went back down and shook the... foundations. Oh, there that goes. He took a while, but then when he went, he went fast. Yeah, right up. Gee. No, the cannonball is still wobbling around there. And then it turns a little faster. But you see, the funny part about this is that it even stops and reverses its movements. Whereas if it was out in zero gravity, if it would just be Going like this very slowly. Yeah, it goes from one side to the other, it reverses itself. It's like it's a lot of interference, well, probably a lot of interference, much like, I could relate that particular effect to perhaps some of the samples slowly falling apart and disintegrating in that. Well, we want to show some. We can get a little close up. You can describe it in, what happened on this particular piece. Basically just pull themselves apart on the plastic milk crate. This is a aluminum metal extrusion alloy. And you can see it's not, it looks like wood almost, but it's not. So at one time it was just... all shredding. Now it's back to being solid again. Yeah, it's one solid piece. We can go to even one like this that didn't quite want to do that. And you can see it's all bulged up. But it started pulling, pulling apart and disintegrating, so to speak, huh? Yeah. It's like somebody put a little tiny bomb inside of it and exploded it outward like that. And this bits of copper, which came out of it, too, it seems like. Well, they look like they were all pulled to one in. Has that occurred in other metal samples? Yes. Maybe the other metals inside or minerals inside have been, go to one end or the other? That's right. That's what all that lab tests indicate. So they're separating, aren't they? I mean, they're, you know, they're taking, if this copper, it's over here, and if it's steel, it's left at that end, right? Yeah, basically, even right down to all the impurities in the metals. then means that you could take out radioactive materials, couldn't you? Yes, I've actually done experiments where I could put up a 75-foot radius field that backed off the background radiation down to a few counts per minute. So there's a really fine application there for what might be considered kind of fun and bizarre experiments, but truly something that would be beneficial. This is the most fascinating one. I always love this one. What happened here? Because you said that at one point in time, this was captured on film and studied. Yes, in the old days before video, there was super 835 millimeter. And on analysis of each frame, they would analyze it, some of the samples would turn transparent, and they could actually analyze and see the sample and see what's underneath the sample. And then like, for instance, this, this part would have become sort of transparent, and this just ended up embedded in it, didn't it? Yeah, well, something we put samples like on top of other samples, and this one actually floated into the metal itself, so we decided to cut it down to expose just the surface of it. And this one almost made NBC. I probably will yet. Look at it there. This is truly fascinating to see something that the molecular structure, when you look at Star Trek and you see them, you know, transporting and dematerializing, and then you see something like this, you think this actually could happen. That's very close. We're getting there. We're starting to experience that. And even dilythium is reality, too. From Fort Worth, Texas. Oh, yes, the dilithium crystals, power the ships on the Enterprise. I got some from Fort Worth. This one here, this even, so if somebody could say, well, you cast it in this, but it's an extrusion alloy. So you can't, you know, they could test by the, do tests by the grain structure on all of these things. And this one, again, is extrusion alloy, but it's got wood inside of it. So there's a little piece of wood, it may be hard to capture, but... About a cubic inch. It's right there, huh? Did that just float in? Yeah. There's many samples at Siemens Labs in Germany analyzed that had wood mixed in, sodis mixed in with the metal. You must have literally tons of samples over the years. Yes. Because how long a time did you have that lab running? Well, I've had the lab started up in early 70s, then I was found out in 1919, the effects started happening in 1979, and Alexis Bezaro, who I give credit to, found my research, and then promoted it to the U.S. government, and other scientists, and that was quite a pace of activity for the last 10. 10, 11 years of scientists coming and going. About 750 demonstrations, but not all to scientists, some media people would come in. Hey, we came in, we're going to show some samples on your floor in your apartment and let you explain the other effects that happened with those. Okay. So we'll go to that. Here is, there's your floor covered with all these samples there. Well, this is, yes, I pulled out a lot of samples. Here's a lunum piece that has, didn't want to separate, but blew up from within side. And I'm reaching over here for a huge piece of a lunum rung bar stock, two inches. And it appears that it exploded outward, like. Well, if you've seen the movie Alien. It's like an alien popped out of there or something. That's a crude way of putting it, but... Many different effects, from the jelly, molding, shaking, to pulling apart, to almost disintegrating, huh? To disintegrate. And then some of, like you observed before, and it was tested. Now, what happened here? I'm demonstrating a,…

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