John Hutchison Interview on Journey with Brenda Roberts (1997): Crystal Energy

Transcript

Thank you. On our journey, we're beginning to realize that we are literally swimming in a sea of energy. And if we learn to fine tune our own frequency, perhaps we can affect our health. Perhaps there is a source of free energy all around us. Nikola Tesla had a dream that we could have some very clean energy source. John Hutchison, my guest, on Journey, has been exploring that dream and expanding it all of his lifetime on his journey. John, I'm so fortunate to have a chance to have a chat with you and to see some of your work. Pleasure being here. We want to let people know that you came down from Vancouver, Canada, so you are here to just share with us what you've been doing. I know that Nikola Tesla has long been a hero of yours, as you said, and in a very early age you started recreating some of his experiments. That's right. especially in the anti-gravitational fields and manipulation of matter through his type of frequencies and Tesla waves and that. The famous Tesla coils, which are very large apparatus, you actually were able to build yourself, and I want to go to some photos of the lab that you created and show some of the apparatus there. I'll let you explain it. Okay, for sure. That sounds like fun. And here we have a small Tesla coil and a disruptive discharge transformer that was used by Tesla. I reproduced these, and he was happy to, in the early days, presented to the electrical engineers of that time period. And here we have U.S. scientists looking at my apparatus in the operation. This would be Las Almos in U.S. Army Intelligence. And here we have more samples set up for tests. and various geometries of the samples put there on milk crates, show that there's no heat. And here we have, again, Los Alamos staff and technicians looking at the effects that are happening there, and yours truly tuning the control. Well, for 20 years or so, you've been experimenting in, I think, how many years did you actually have that? particular facility, that huge lab operational. Basically, in operation, it grew from about 1969 onto 79, and by that time it was quite massive, and the effects started happening in 1979, and discovered by the scientific community in about 1980. Yes, you've been courted by NASA, DOD, defense logistics agency, McDonald-Douglas, Boeing, all your life, basically, to, you know, explore what you're doing, and they tagged at the Hutchison effect. That's right, yeah. What exactly would you consider that is? The effect itself is tagged to me because with this type of Tesla machines in that, there's the levitations, the unexplained separation of metals, the influence on nuclear material, also... the transmutation of atomic elements and that. Well, we talked in our earlier show, where you folks didn't get to see, the applications are such that you could assist in removing radioactive materials, and, of course, levitating in anti -gravity, you know, where things were flying off, but we're looking at a propulsion system there. Advanced propulsion system, but it could be applicable to NASA's program of 19 members. recently formed at NASA HQ in Washington. And they actually are to study and explore the possibilities of warp drive, right? That's right, yes, faster the light travel. Great. Well, currently, you are now not in a big lab facility because most of that equipment went with the Canadian government. That's right, yeah. In your own apartment, which we're going to show later, you have accumulated some more equipment that you hope later to put in another lab. But what are you doing now as far as practical application of working with energy sources? Well, talk to the free energy. consensus of physicists around the world from Bukar time in Germany to Halpitov and others, Dr. Rauscher, many others that I can name over and over again, that there is a zero point energy. And Richard B. Feynman, who now is unfortunately passed away, mentions that in a light bulb-sized area of time and space right here, there's enough energy to boil off all the oceans of the Earth, and it's labeled zero point energy. Now my idea was how do you capture something like this? And the only thing I can understand is basically by trying and using something similar to the Casimir effect where you have two metal plates that come together and create heat and energy, according to Hal Pudoff. And working with crystalline structures, I found that I've captured some small amounts of energy, working in... plates of crystalline material. They're pressed together and excited by high voltage. And here we have a small unit that's actually got a voltmeter on there. Crystalline structure in crystals and minerals, we use quartz crystals in watches and computers and all sorts of applications, don't we? Quartz, quartz itself was used in radio as... as for fine frequencies, because it vibrates. You have to excite it for it to vibrate, and it's called the Pizoelectric effect. But you want to tune your interest to what they call self-reactive materials. One prime example of that is barium titanate, that is self-reactive material, and has ferromagnetic properties and piezoelectric properties. So we're discovering even the minerals and the rocks around us are or vibrating, they're like alive, aren't they? Yeah, everything's alive, everything is in motion. Townsend Brown, Stanford University, was able to draw voltage from rocks, ordinary rocks. We've heard of people putting maybe copper wiring in the ground. Yeah. generating some electricity. Is that possible too? Oh, that's entirely possible. Tesla had various patents out on that, and that's basically now standard physics where you can do that. You can have a 50-foot antenna onto a tree and get voltage off of that. You can even rectify it and create a little power source and fill a capacitor. There you go. In researching for this show, I spoke with a friend of mine who works for the U.S. Patent Office. And he indicated that there had been over the years a lot of patent applications that use the terminology free energy or zero point energy, and now for the first time one has actually been granted that does use that terminology. So apparently it's becoming more an accepted scientific look at it. go explore this. There's a paradigm shift that my colleagues, Brian O'Leary, and others say there's a huge paradigm shift in energy and in alternative medicine. In our acceptance of that finally, or are allowing the possibility that something like that can have an effect on us. Exactly. I think too, when you mention health applications. Health applications by utilization of electromagnetics through computer controls can actually be used to rearrange the genetic code. Applications like that are already going on in the United States at MDI and other locations in California. Well, does that indicate that our bodies have a certain electrical magnetic charge to them? Oh yeah, even in our brain there's what they call weak nucleic acids, which are magnetic and have magnetic properties. So, applying a certain frequency may then interact with our own frequency, and maybe help balance? Something out that's like gone askew. No, that's true. Either can balance what it's at a skew, rearrange the electro-biochemistry of a person, or if it's used in dangerous ways, can actually cause people who have, be agitated, nervous, and have mental breakdowns. Now, they're determining two certain frequencies do that. They are agitating, even though we can't even hear them, or sense that they're occurring. they're there nonetheless, they're invisible. Invisible from, basically from ELF then into microwaves. And a prime example of a microwave antenna is a pine needle. The simple pine needle resonates to the stuff coming from space, and this is not healthy for our trees, and not healthy for us, certain parts of us. That would bombard those trees and start shaking the pine needles off? It interferes with the electrobiochemistry of the trees. Tree's growth itself? And their communications between the trees. their communications, through pheromones and that. Within our cells, we have areas that are agitated by microwave energy. Prime example, it's all a cell phone use of people getting tumors in the brain and that. But still, but very... Perhaps it's not really good for our bodies to be interacting with machines too much, huh? No, unless you're in a healthy range of frequencies. And there is a healthy range of frequency, so that might imply assisting us if we're in a disease state, which is probably an unhealthy range of frequency. Or you could actually tune on a signal generator, a very fine frequency for a particular virus, as done by Dr. Royal Rife in the 1930s. Isn't it amazing that this work has been going on for so many years, and it continues to pop up, but... Hopefully it's popping up now and it's going to hang around and finally be usable. It seems so more and more in this day and age that the recognition of these force fields and electromagnetics and electrostatics and magnetic fields are indeed applicable to many, curing many health problems. We're going to talk about what you've been kind of playing with, and we're going to show some footage of your apartment. Explain just briefly how you made this, what's in it. This is a casting of just common minerals in a liquid form, and I heat this up to incredible heat and put it in a mold, and I make sure there's no water or moisture in these. I feel that it's capturing a tiny insignificant amount of zero point energy. I think we can show... a clip from your kitchen, where you literally were sort of what I call shake and baking these at home. Well, yes, that's true, that's one way of doing it. Because you are using applying some heat to allow them to. You have to. Yeah, and I apply a high voltage charge to them. Now here's your apparatus at home. And this is using larger units that are now mostly sold off in Japan. We're getting better voltage ratios. And I believe we're powering a small motor with this, which would be in the range of about 100 to 200 millianpiers. And as you can see, I'm running my little experiments there. Now you're showing that in those tubes, that's where you have your ingredients, your minerals, and they will form a solid state, right? So the idea is once they form a solid state, you actually would have what we considered like a battery. Yeah, a zero point energy battery. And when we're talking about zero point energy, then we're saying that the excitement of these certain minerals in combination and the process of which you've developed and been experimenting with. is absorbing energy around it or attracting energy from around it? It allows, it basically allows for the cascade action of zero point energy, which is on the extremely high end of the electromagnetic spectrum, way about light, to come down into these latuses on a subatomic level. And then the electrons then accumulate toward the anode and cathode on these pieces here. and also on those ones that are cast in containers. Now, you've got one here that is about the size of a, you know, a battery. And the idea here is that once you create this and it's excited, it will then maintain its energy supply, right? That's right. It becomes a power source then. It becomes a self-reactive power source. And go, and go and go, and go. Uh-oh. Watch out rabbit. Well, that's what everybody tells me, you know. They want to see the rabbit sort of go a little faster and longer. Well, are there any toxic things in what you've made? No, these are common minerals. Are there toxic ingredients in our existing batteries? Oh, yes. Okay, so when we throw those away as frequently as we do, We're not doing a service to the, you know, the zones in which we're trying to trash those, are we? No, you're throwing acid out in nickel and cadmium and mercury, and a host of other toxic heavy elements. I think the idea is that to move into a cleaner way of doing things, hopefully, is coming to the forefront now, as we're seeing the amount of pollution we're dealing with, we're seeing the amount of trash we're having to deal with, and so hopefully we'll... We'll see that this is, you know, not a threat to batteries, but the next generation of a better, enhanced, expanded battery, safer, cleaner. And that would probably last logically, you know, for centuries. Wow. That's a fair estimate. I mean, I have here a mechanical contrivance, which is... Again, mechanical machines tend to break down, let's say in five years, something like that, it's a little generator. Well, what, just the sheer wear and tear and torque on mechanical parts? Yeah, that's impractical, in my opinion, to have anything with moving parts, so I like the solid, block materials that don't wear down. And they're environmentally strong. You can coat them with plastic or other materials that make them tough and rigid. You can cast him even in concrete if you want to. What then is your next step with what you're calling your crystal converters? Oh, right now, some scientists in Japan, in the United States, checking them out for the power factors. Is that him beeping? He's alive, right? Well, that means that the meter wants to turn himself off after a period of time. It's got a built-in memory there. See, he's gone off now. Okay, well, this is, and we've had this hooked up the whole time, you know, because it's been registering, hasn't it? Yeah, it's been registering power, and these things, these ones here can put out up to 3 volts, depending on the mixture. Now, I've gone through many different mixtures. It's a real process, then. It's a real delicate process, and the very first ones I made were the best. So now you're going to get back to the creating those, huh? Actually, they were even simpler. And this anode here, or cathoph, it, here I'm just using a common screw, but it should be improved with neomium metal on a piece of stainless steel. That would have collected the electrons a lot faster instead of just... a bolt or a piece of metal throwing in there. A certain element, atomic elements like to draw the electrons to them. And so in effect that, you know, now, it is absorbing and holding, and you even indicated, too, that some of your earlier ones, which you said were really good, or older now, what, a couple years old, that almost are getting more powerful? Yeah. The more you abuse them, the more you test them, the tougher they get because the crystalline matrix builds and memorizes this. Wow. That is a very alive kind of... Even with the up and down movement of the moon, let's say, there's this gravimetric tension, and all that shifting back and forth, also causes them to be enhanced. So we're looking at what could potentially be a good next generation of a very, very everlasting battery, non-toxic to the environment, and can be in all sorts of shapes and forms, right? That's right. It can be cast in any shape or any size, any form. And the most powerful form would be casting of a honeycomb shape, meaning that you'd have many little parts in there that are separated from one another that can capture energy and amplify it to the next cell. But it can be cast in any shape also. Whoa, this is our future we're looking at. I want to take us on a little tour of your apartment and show some of the equipment that you've been accumulating. Keeping in mind, we know that you eventually want to put this back in another lab and get back to the Tesla experiments that you've been doing. This is okay now, of course, my apartment is worse. And here you are. Well, now I'm explaining some of the receivers I use for monitoring signals out in the environment. I think we're not, in general, aware of how much signals are all around us. As you're pointing out with all this equipment, what are the range of signals out there that we're constantly surrounded by? Right down to direct current, right up to cosmic rays. Right up to the cosmic rays. So I have here a fair collection of equipment that can monitor each section of this as... So is there a lot of activity going on? Yeah. So when you flip those switches on and you're just seeing all sorts of waves, right? All the way up, continuous from zero up to way into the gigahertz, right up into cosmic rays. And then when I need, giving that high in cosmic radiation, then I have to resort to Geiger counters to collect that kind of information. And with x-rays, then again, other special equipment. And there's one piece there that goes up the 44 gigahertz from 10 megacycles. That covers that section of the electromagnetic spectrum. And I'm going down here to show a fantastic recording device, 42 channel input on that where I can pour in the... So you can capture the data there. Oh yeah, I have all the... all the equipment to capture the data and store it. XY plotters and chart recorders. And I'm walking through here, looking at some RF generation equipment, which I like to experiment with, producing effects with radio frequencies. And I'm now pointing to some more RF generation equipment, U.S. Army equipment, from Ohio and it puts out to at least a couple hundred watts and there's another receiver army receiver as we walk around here I don't think we realize that you know the waves that are surrounding us at all frequencies, you know, we're walking through it and just existing in it all the time. We've got a lot of satellites out there, too, that are beaming waves at us all the time, aren't they? Not only satellites, but you've got satellites, you've got thunderstorms, you've got meteorites that hit in there, and the ham radio operators can pick up even the signature meteorites hitting into the air there, and there's the harp project up in Alaska, which now has added... more are up to the threshold. Now, what in our atmosphere, some of these waves, do they bounce around in? Because I know there's something called the Van Allen belt that surrounds the planet, and there's electromagnetic energy out there, isn't there? It's like there's a... crust of it or something. Yeah, very, very highly charged particles. And luckily our Earth keeps that at bay with our ionosphere layers, which are many of them, and also our geomagnetic field. It keeps all this sort of out in the Van Allen belts, so it doesn't come in and burn us down with cosmic rays and extra UV radiation in that. So you're dealing in pollution, you're weakening the... the ionosphere. Which is our protection, isn't it? It's our protection. Basically, our atmosphere is there for a reason. But each one is dependent on the other. The geomagnetic fields is dependent on the ionosphere. When you get the northern lights, that's because of a solar storm coming in. Oh, wow. There's electricity going on all around us. Everything's made up of energy, basically, when it comes down to it. Now, the light spectrum that we can see is one aspect. Most of this is totally invisible to us. We don't really sense it or feel it unless you become acutely sensitive, maybe. Some people do feel it, don't they? When they're around large equipment or microwave or satellite dishes. That's true. That's pretty well known now for some time. And you can even go off as far as to say that there's a lot of paranormal research going on in this area because at 21 and 24 centimeters, there's a lot of work being done in telekinetics and ESP of Dr. Henry Strapp, let's say, McDonald-Douglas Aerospace. They actually measure, can measure these RF frequencies in them. In our own brain. It goes through quite a frequency range itself as it progresses through alpha, beta, delta, theta states, doesn't it? Yeah. Changes its own vibratory rate or frequency. Yeah, and our whole body actually is like a battery, too. I kind of remember the exact voltage, I think it's roughly 10 volts. 10 volts. I was reading it actually in a ham radio publication. Well, there's something to having a really charged personality then, isn't there? Well, you know, I start zapping…

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